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Indytotof
21st May 2016, 07:25 PM
Hello The Ygorg !

Today's topic will be centered about four big bad dragons that have been bad for one complete year now: the Dragon Rulers.

The OCG have seen the return of the Blue-Eyes White Dragon in the meta, thanks to certain cards recently released in the Booster Pack Shining Victories, promotional releases for the movie The Dark Side of the Dimensions and the Structure Deck R Rise of the True Dragons. And speaking of Rise of the True Dragons, did the Dragon Rulers can be see the day of light out of the shadowy realm of the Banlist ?

For me, and after testing all of them limited to 1, yes they can. But they can't be, not matter what, be released from the Banlist at full power. It's asking for trouble. But I have to mitigate my point of view. Let's see and begin with Blaster:


If this card is in your hand or Graveyard: You can banish a total of 2 FIRE and/or Dragon-Type monsters from your hand and/or Graveyard, except this card; Special Summon this card. During your opponent's End Phase, if this card was Special Summoned: Return it to the hand. You can discard this card and 1 FIRE monster to the Graveyard, then target 1 card on the field; destroy that target. If this card is banished: You can add 1 FIRE Dragon-Type monster from your Deck to your hand. You can only use 1 "Blaster, Dragon Ruler of Infernos" effect per turn, and only once that turn.

First off, this card open Lv8 Synchro plays by searching Flamvell Guard. Let's see the potential Lv8 Synchro Blaster help to summon:

> Crimson Blader
> Scarlight
> Stardust Spark
> Psy-Framelord Omega

Also, Blaster can be summon from the Graveyard by Felgrand, Arkbrave and most importantly, Gospel of Revival.

Now, let's see both Tidal and Redox:


If this card is in your hand or Graveyard: You can banish a total of 2 EARTH and/or Dragon-Type monsters from your hand and/or Graveyard, except this card; Special Summon this card. During your opponent's End Phase, if this card was Special Summoned: Return it to the hand. You can discard this card and 1 EARTH monster to the Graveyard, then target 1 monster in your Graveyard; Special Summon that target. If this card is banished: You can add 1 EARTH Dragon-Type monster from your Deck to your hand. You can only use 1 "Redox, Dragon Ruler of Boulders" effect per turn, and only once that turn.


If this card is in your hand or Graveyard: You can banish a total of 2 WATER and/or Dragon-Type monsters from your hand and/or Graveyard, except this card; Special Summon this card. During your opponent's End Phase, if this card was Special Summoned: Return it to the hand. You can discard this card and 1 WATER monster to the Graveyard; send 1 monster from your Deck to the Graveyard. If this card is banished: You can add 1 WATER Dragon-Type monster from your Deck to your hand. You can only use 1 "Tidal, Dragon Ruler of Waterfalls" effect per turn, and only once that turn.

This two cards let's you search Mythic Water Dragon and Mythic Tree Dragon, setting up a R8NK combo. Easy Galaxy-Eyes Xyz, Dragluon or Xyz Felgrand.

And now Tempest:


If this card is in your hand or Graveyard: You can banish a total of 2 WIND and/or Dragon-Type monsters from your hand and/or Graveyard, except this card; Special Summon this card. During your opponent's End Phase, if this card was Special Summoned: Return it to the hand. You can discard this card and 1 WIND monster to the Graveyard; add 1 Dragon-Type monster from your Deck to your hand. If this card is banished: You can add 1 WIND Dragon-Type monster from your Deck to your hand. You can only use 1 "Tempest, Dragon Ruler of Storms" effect per turn, and only once that turn.

Search Debris Dragon for potential R4NK plays or Lv7 Synchro plays. And Tempest can also search any Dragon-Type monsters.


Also, the Dragon Rulers can be used as generic R7 materials. Big Eye and Dracossack are two powerfull R7 they can bring out. There is also Red-Eyes Flare Metal Dragon. And here is a little problem.... they are generic materials for any summon... when they shouldn't be.

Also, Gospel of Revival can make them pretty broken.

Bringing them back is possible. Is it a good idea ? Nope, at least for my modest opinion. They open plenty of plays for any Dragon-Type decks, make them fast, consistent and extremely agressive. Decks like Felgrand (not BE variant) or Red-Eyes will greatly benefit from their returns, if they will return.

Also, the big ones being all Lv7, they will abuse the best card out of the Felgrand Structure Deck: Gospel of Revival. Let's see this card out:


Target 1 Level 7 or 8 Dragon-Type monster in your Graveyard; Special Summon it. If a Dragon-Type monster(s) you control would be destroyed by battle or card effect while this card is in your Graveyard, you can banish this card instead.

This. This card can revive for no costs and limitation all the big Dragon Rulers. And also give them (and any Dragon-Type monsters they will summon) protection from battle and effect destructions. Gospel could become problematic if the D-Rulers ever come back, even only at 1.




How to fix the problem with the Dragon Rulers ? Make them less generic and possibly hit Dark Matter and Gospel of Revival.

A good errata for the big Dragon Rulers could be:

"[insert Dragon Ruler name] cannot be used as material for a summon, except for the summon of a [insert corresponding attribute] or Dragon-Type monster"

With that, no Big Eye and no Dracossack possible for Dragon Rulers. They can be used solely as they were supposed to: corresponding attribute support and Dragon-Type support.

But even with this errata on the big one, all the Dragon Rulers (even the babies) should go to 1, to prevent too much explosive plays. It give some Dragon-Type a chance with a Dragon Ruler engine and give to their correspondant attribute more faster plays.

And you guys, what do you thinks ? Your opinion in this matter interested me !

Sanokal
21st May 2016, 08:19 PM
Dark Matter OTK isn't too powerful? (Then again, even that can be dealt with if someone is dumb enough, which admittedly misses the point.)

Dread Kaiser
21st May 2016, 08:35 PM
Rulers cannot come back without hitting a shitload of balanced cards

You do not hit balanced cards to bring back broken ones, simple as that

How is there even a debate on this, only someone like power would want these back

JoJoToast
22nd May 2016, 01:22 AM
A single Ruler and I can abuse Eclipse Wyvern somewhat.

Also Blue-Eyes was never previously a meta deck, it's not returning, it just entered the meta.

EDIT: You know I meant BE as it's own deck ~_~

Dread Kaiser
22nd May 2016, 01:36 AM
A single Ruler and I can abuse Eclipse Wyvern ^_^

Also Blue-Eyes was never previously a meta deck, it's not returning, it just entered the meta.

Ignoring Dragon Library

Indytotof
22nd May 2016, 06:10 AM
Rulers cannot come back without hitting a shitload of balanced cards

You do not hit balanced cards to bring back broken ones, simple as that

How is there even a debate on this, only someone like power would want these back

You seems to forget that the meta have evolved since the D-Rulers era. Kaijus, Buster Blader (which D-Rulers auto-lose to) and Monarchs give D-Rulers trouble. Right now, D-Rulers aren't as good as they used to be. If bringing them back (to 1) is possible, only two cards have to looked before: Gospel of Revival and Number 95: Galaxy-Eyes Dark Matter Dragon.


Ignoring Dragon Library

And, coincidentally, Blue-Eyes [Mythic] Rulers.

Hope in the Interstice
22nd May 2016, 06:16 AM
You seems to forget that the meta have evolved since the D-Rulers era. Kaijus, Buster Blader (which D-Rulers auto-lose to) and Monarchs give D-Rulers trouble. Right now, D-Rulers aren't as good as they used to be. If bringing them back (to 1) is possible, only two cards have to looked before: Gospel of Revival and Number 95: Galaxy-Eyes Dark Matter Dragon.
Galaxy-Eyes Dark Matter Dragon is so problematic that they had to preemptively ban the Rulers before they could do any damage with their new toy. I am not looking forward to that era again.

Sanokal
22nd May 2016, 09:37 AM
You seems to forget that the meta have evolved since the D-Rulers era. Kaijus, Buster Blader (which D-Rulers auto-lose to) and Monarchs give D-Rulers trouble. Right now, D-Rulers aren't as good as they used to be. If bringing them back (to 1) is possible, only two cards have to looked before: Gospel of Revival and Number 95: Galaxy-Eyes Dark Matter Dragon.



And, coincidentally, Blue-Eyes [Mythic] Rulers.

And Dragon Ravine and the Babies and everything else that has since made it off the list...

Indytotof
22nd May 2016, 10:26 AM
And Dragon Ravine and the Babies and everything else that has since made it off the list...

Cards that don't even matter in today's meta, which can stays even with the D-Rulers (at 1) back. Babies only have to be limited, Dragon Ravine is still perfectly fine at 2.

No, the two cards that must be hit for the return of D-Rulers are Gospel and Dark Matter.

But I don't say bringing those monsters back is a good idea.

Dread Kaiser
22nd May 2016, 01:35 PM
You seems to forget that the meta have evolved since the D-Rulers era. Kaijus, Buster Blader (which D-Rulers auto-lose to) and Monarchs give D-Rulers trouble. Right now, D-Rulers aren't as good as they used to be. If bringing them back (to 1) is possible, only two cards have to looked before: Gospel of Revival and Number 95: Galaxy-Eyes Dark Matter Dragon.

And, coincidentally, Blue-Eyes [Mythic] Rulers.

Now you will notice that I never specified old or new cards. or any cards for that matter. and I think you horribly underestimate the rulers and their ability to contaminate everything they touch.

and whether or not the victim decks is meta relevant is irrelevant

"Sorry Dragunity Players, this asshole wanted Rulers back so we have to kill your deck to make it happen"

lemme rephrase and exaggerate that to highlight the idiocy

"Sorry everyone, this asshole wanted Pot of Greed and Graceful back so we had to ban every other good draw card in the game"

or

"Sorry everyone, this asshole wanted Metamorphosis back so we had to ban Norden, Limit Gagaga Magician and hit every easy to summon Level 8 and 10 monsters."

or

"Sorry everyone, This asshole wanted Stratos back, so we had to ban ROTA"

Hitting Balanced things to bring back broken things is a retarded idea. its the same reason Stratos can't come back