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SynjoDeonecros
11th June 2016, 03:14 PM
So, in Zexal, it's said that the Photon monsters were created using energy from "another world", which - considering other factors in the series - I'm guessing means Barian World. Does this give the monsters special properties, like being more solid when out on the field or something? I'm writing a fanfic involving a little kid getting a hold of Gauche's Bounzers - including Photon Strike Bounzer - and I want to refresh my memory on what kind of things they said the Photon monsters can do that are special to them outside of the normal game.

Indytotof
11th June 2016, 03:29 PM
Yes. When Mizar and Kaito confront in the Moon, Mizar cleary says "then the Numeron Code belongs to the Barian World" (Kaito explained to him that their respective Galaxy-Eyes are the keys to the Numeron Code).

Photon monsters were created with Barian's energy.

They can interact with "Numbers" monsters (bypassing the "cannot be destroyed by battle execpt with "Number" Xyz Monsters" rules via several removing effects) and Kaito can do Photon Change and Photon Hand (the latter ability let Kaito take his opponents' "Numbers").

iNfiniTe Se7eNz
11th June 2016, 03:55 PM
Yes. When Mizar and Kaito confront in the Moon, Mizar cleary says "then the Numeron Code belongs to the Barian World" (Kaito explained to him that their respective Galaxy-Eyes are the keys to the Numeron Code).

Photon monsters were created with Barian's energy.

They can interact with "Numbers" monsters (bypassing the "cannot be destroyed by battle execpt with "Number" Xyz Monsters" rules via several removing effects) and Kaito can do Photon Change and Photon Hand (the latter ability let Kaito take his opponents' "Numbers").
Mizael meant that as in "The Barian World will claim the Numeron Code," not that "the Numeron Code originated from the Barian World." The Numeron Code was created by the Numeron Dragon, which was the progenitor of the universe. Tachyon Dragon and Prime Photon Dragon were born on the moon (stated in the "Legend of the Dragons of Light and Time).
Astral states that Galaxy-Eyes resembles something from the Astral World.
A final note is that the Barian World is basically composed of rejects from the Astral World. Don Thousand was originally a denizen of the Astral World, but he was banished. The Seven Barian Emperors would have gone to the Astral World after their deaths, but this was prevented by Don Thousand's curse.

SynjoDeonecros
11th June 2016, 04:47 PM
I also noticed that Kite, Gauche, and Droite have those tattoos on their left eyes that appear whenever they duel, so they don't need a mechanical device to do that. Is that also part of the Photon/Barian energy aspect of their cards?

Indytotof
11th June 2016, 04:54 PM
I also noticed that Kite, Gauche, and Droite have those tattoos on their left eyes that appear whenever they duel, so they don't need a mechanical device to do that. Is that also part of the Photon/Barian energy aspect of their cards?

Yep it is.


Mizael meant that as in "The Barian World will claim the Numeron Code," not that "the Numeron Code originated from the Barian World." The Numeron Code was created by the Numeron Dragon, which was the progenitor of the universe. Tachyon Dragon and Prime Photon Dragon were born on the moon (stated in the "Legend of the Dragons of Light and Time).
Astral states that Galaxy-Eyes resembles something from the Astral World.
A final note is that the Barian World is basically composed of rejects from the Astral World. Don Thousand was originally a denizen of the Astral World, but he was banished. The Seven Barian Emperors would have gone to the Astral World after their deaths, but this was prevented by Don Thousand's curse.

I would like also note that all "Photon" cards were made (and it's clearly says by Dr. Faker) with Barian energy. When Mizar says "then the Numeron Code belongs to the Barian World" it means exactly what the phrase means (in fact, Mizar truely thinks the Numeron Code belongs to the Barian World) since both Galaxy-Eyes comes from the Barain World. But then it revealed that Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon's true form is revealed: Number 62: Galaxy-Eyes Prime Photon Dragon, which comes from the Astral World.

Then Number 100: Numeron Dragon comes by merging the Barian, Mythyrian and Astral "Numbers" Dragons (in fact, like Number S37, S38 and S39 merge together with ZEXAL to create Number S0).

iNfiniTe Se7eNz
11th June 2016, 04:56 PM
I also noticed that Kite, Gauche, and Droite have those tattoos on their left eyes that appear whenever they duel, so they don't need a mechanical device to do that. Is that also part of the Photon/Barian energy aspect of their cards?

Less to do with cards, but rather advanced technology. The Arclight brothers all have them, too.

Indytotof
11th June 2016, 05:02 PM
Less to do with cards, but rather advanced technology. The Arclight brothers all have them, too.

Because it comes too from the Barian World. Tron have been saved by the Barians (he says it himself). This tech is highly inspired by Barian's battlemorph.

SynjoDeonecros
11th June 2016, 05:23 PM
Okay, so theoretically, what would happen if a layman got a hold of some of the Photon cards? Would the energy they were created from alter them somehow, or what? I'm still not clear on that. It sounds like the monsters have their own powers, but nothing outside of duels, and the Photon powers used outside of duels is done with Barian energy/tech separate from the Photon cards...

Indytotof
11th June 2016, 05:54 PM
Okay, so theoretically, what would happen if a layman got a hold of some of the Photon cards? Would the energy they were created from alter them somehow, or what? I'm still not clear on that. It sounds like the monsters have their own powers, but nothing outside of duels, and the Photon powers used outside of duels is done with Barian energy/tech separate from the Photon cards...

Not it do not alter them. Photon cards do not change the owner into Barians. Photon cards are basically anti-"Numbers" cards.

SynjoDeonecros
11th June 2016, 06:06 PM
Well, damn, there goes the whole basis of my story...

iNfiniTe Se7eNz
11th June 2016, 06:11 PM
Well, damn, there goes the whole basis of my story...
Unrelated to the monsters themselves, but Kaito's Duel Mode: Photon Change was literally killing him slowly throughout the whole first season.

SynjoDeonecros
11th June 2016, 06:27 PM
Yeah, I remember that. I think it's hinted that, without some sort of affinity for it, or modification made to the body, normal people can't handle Barian energy for long periods of time without it eventually overwhelming them...

Sanokal
11th June 2016, 06:57 PM
I thought it was more the fact that it was because it resisted Numbers that it was killing him.

SynjoDeonecros
11th June 2016, 07:29 PM
I, honestly, dunno, at this point.

Volteccer
11th June 2016, 07:59 PM
Regular people can use photon monsters just fine; in fact gauche and droite used the process that made kite's deck to make new boss monsters for their decks.

SynjoDeonecros
11th June 2016, 08:43 PM
Regular people can use photon monsters just fine; in fact gauche and droite used the process that made kite's deck to make new boss monsters for their decks.

I thought they went through the same process Kite did to get the powers to use the Photon cards, not that they just got the cards themselves.

If that's the case, then that completely destroys the entire basis for my fanfic. Phooey...

iNfiniTe Se7eNz
11th June 2016, 08:49 PM
I thought they went through the same process Kite did to get the powers to use the Photon cards, not that they just got the cards themselves.

If that's the case, then that completely destroys the entire basis for my fanfic. Phooey...

Photons are not special at all, barring the Galaxy-Eyes Dragons.

SynjoDeonecros
11th June 2016, 09:58 PM
Well, I don't recall them being used by anyone else but Kite, Gauche and Droite, and they all were specifically conditioned/modified/whatever to accept Barian energy stuff, so I'm going to fudge things in my story and say that only they can comfortably control the Photons, and there's no real data on what an unprepared person would react to controlling one.

iNfiniTe Se7eNz
12th June 2016, 12:31 AM
Well, I don't recall them being used by anyone else but Kite, Gauche and Droite, and they all were specifically conditioned/modified/whatever to accept Barian energy stuff, so I'm going to fudge things in my story and say that only they can comfortably control the Photons, and there's no real data on what an unprepared person would react to controlling one.

That's only because duelists only rarely share archetypes. Photons were Kaito's thing, but Gauche and Droite used them partially for the sole reason of giving Yuma a hint that they were connected to Kaito. Their actual archetypes were Bounzer (later Heroic) and Butterfly, respectively. They're just regular monsters.

iNfiniTe Se7eNz
12th June 2016, 12:39 AM
Or, to think of it another way: Burning Knucklers, Holy Lightnings, Hands, Umbrals, Mizael's random dragons, Rio's random water winged-beasts, and Sharks were not special monsters. Only the Numbers were.

SynjoDeonecros
12th June 2016, 12:41 AM
Bah, gotta ruin my fun, don't you? I mean, I'm all for keeping continuity, but I'm trying to rationalize a plot point in my story, and here you are completely wrecking it. And besides, I'm not saying the ENTIRE Bounzer archetype is special and gives the kid special powers, just Photon Strike Bounzer, since - as far as we know - the Photons WERE special monsters because they were specially created with Barian tech/energy, as stated in the anime.

Think of it this way; the Chronomaly and Gimmick Puppet monsters aren't special, either, but they gained their own Number monsters, because of the desires of those Numbers' owners forming them to fit with their decks. Since the Photon monsters are specially created, cards like Photon Strike Bounzer and Photon Papilloperative would be created to fit in with an existing archetype, while still being unique due to how they were created.

iNfiniTe Se7eNz
12th June 2016, 12:44 AM
I tend to take arguments about fictional canon way too seriously, so more or less.

SynjoDeonecros
12th June 2016, 12:51 AM
Well, here are the facts: Bounzers and Butterflies aren't unique monsters, but their Photon Xyz boss monsters ARE, because it's established all Photon cards were created by use of Barian tech/energy, so even if the main deck monsters aren't that special, because of how they're made, the Xyz monsters ARE, and since only those with the experience and training and conditioning and all that in Barian tech/energy use them, and no one else has used them (not even via taking over their Photons, as far as I know), and there's no talk about anyone else BUT them using those cards, it can be speculated on how a layman without a connection to either the Astral or Barian universe would react to having a Barian-powered card like the Photons.