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KingJinzo
16th October 2016, 10:05 AM
Honestly, I'm more hyped to get the Special Demo of Pokémon Sun/Moon rather than watching this episode, but let's continue with the exposition.

The Professor is making a short summary about Haouryuu, and then he is informed that Yuya has escaped from his cage and we see he wrecked the whole room. Yuya quickly enters the room, but he's normal again at that point. Yusyo, Reiji and Layra/Reira are happy to see him and Yuya is finally reunited with his lost father. Yusyo begs to the Professor to talk over all the stuff instead of getting the kids involved.

However, the Professor continues the exposition and tells him that Yuya is not his son. The Bracelet Girls and der Doktor hit the scene. Since we know that the Professor is not evil, he has enough of des Doktor's evil shit and cards him right away, releasing the girls from dem Doktor's control. (Now I can stop using German articles.) Well, the Professor is moment killing Yuya's reunion with Yuzu (the girls are all trapped inside jars anyway). (It's a bit funny that they don't talk to Rin at all.)

The Professor continues his story, even though the girls just arrived and shouldn't know what he has told last episode. To combat Haouryuu Zarc who is filled with the power of the cards' souls, the Professor was finding to a way to create cards with the energy of nature, and during his research he concluded that he needed the power of Kachou Fuugetsu (flowers, birds, winds and moon), resulting to the creation of four Spell Cards. But right after completing those four cards, Ray just stole them from him before he could even touch them. He reveals that Ray was his daughter, surprising Reiji and Yusyo.

Ray told her father that he's too important for the future (is he John Connor or something) and didn't want him to sacrifice his life to fight the devil. She unleashed the power of the four Spell Cards, gathering the power of Kachou Fuugetsu and created the four bracelets, defusing Haouryuu into the four dragons and dividing her own body into four, as well as the dimensions. The Professor found himself in Standard where Synchros, Fusions and Xyzs don't exist, as well as Real Solid Vision. Only the early parts of Solid Vision of the Duel Monsters era. Then he proceeded to recreate Real Solid Vision again, meeting Yusyo at that time. He also used his machines to research his own memories, realizing that if the world was really split into four dimension, then there was a possibility that his daughter could be alive as well, being sent into a different dimension.

Reiji tells us that at the time, the Professor disappeared and left the LEO Coorporation's business to Himika without telling her, which motivated Reiji to use the teleporter to find his father. And we already know what happened when he arrived at Academia. However, the Professor didn't create Academia to do an interdimensional war, but to find Ray. He found Serena, believing that she was a younger Ray, but she lacked Ray's memories, concluding that Ray was split in four people across the dimensions: Yuzu from Standard, Serena from Fusion Dimension, Ruri from Xyz Dimension and Rin from Synchro Dimension. He started the Arc Area Project to gather the energy of carded people to reunite the dimensions and the Bracelet Girls to revive Ray. He shows his guests his machine that "consumes" all the carded people (I guess it is called ARC-V).

Reiji concludes that not only Ray was divided into four people, but also Zarc. The Professor wants to challenge Yuya to defeat the Devil Duelist (why wasn't Yugo carded again?). However, Reiji is aware that Yuya is not the devil and he saw what Yuya's Entertainment Duel did in the Synchro Dimension (thank Ra, that the Synchro arc had some meaning to it), and the episodes ends with the Professor engaging a duel with Yuya and Reiji.


Preview:

-Looks like Revival Zero is starting.
-Reira having another panic attack.
-Yuya is awakening again.
-The Professor is nervous.
-Yuya and Yuto conclude that as long as they don't get angry, Zarc won't awaken. Yeah, they totally fail at that part.

iNfiniTe Se7eNz
16th October 2016, 10:16 AM
Arc-V Cradle
http://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/a/image/1476/60/1476609435816.jpg

So can I reiterate how pointlessly retarded the whole brainwashing subplot was now? And wow, Leo really did end up being more pathetic than I thought. The whole Arc Are Project being used to establish a utopia was a load of nonsense, the guy just really wants his suicidal daughter back, to the point of not giving a flying fuck about his wife and son. Top tier villainy, Reiou.

So there you have it. Zarc is pathetic, Ray is pathetic, and Leo is pathetic. I guess the only question that remains is why he hasn't killed/captured/carded any of the Yus.

EmperorShun
16th October 2016, 01:00 PM
So....all the stress for reviving his daughter? And what about Reiji, is he the real son of Leo? I have no idea whats going on anymore. Who is the parent of who? And how you gonna tell the mothers of the Yu girls that their daughters arent their daughters? I think they went through a whole lot a pain when they were born.

A rather anticlimatic end for den Doktor, but he deserved it. I dont know if I like Leo or if I just feel sorry for him. The bigger question is, how to make an happy end. We cant have Ray + Leo and Yuzu + Yuya... I am really curious.

Also: Pls do not play Ancient Gears Professor....

Volteccer
16th October 2016, 01:27 PM
So....all the stress for reviving his daughter? And what about Reiji, is he the real son of Leo? I have no idea whats going on anymore. Who is the parent of who? And how you gonna tell the mothers of the Yu girls that their daughters arent their daughters? I think they went through a whole lot a pain when they were born.


Yuzu at least has no mother; Shuzo just sort of found her and took her in when she was a baby.

I don't get why the Professor couldn't both want a utopia and his daughter back.

KingJinzo
16th October 2016, 02:48 PM
Since there is a way of bringing carded people back, what if the people inside the machine will be released from their prison once the project is finished. Committing such a crime for reuniting the world (plus resurrecting Ray) is very heavy. Either he sees it as a necessary sacrifice or he went insane. I think the Professor also suffers of survivor's guilt, after all, he planned to sacrifice his own life rather than his daughter's, so it could be that he felt guilty as failing as a parent... which ironically happened again (with Reiji).

ScionStorm
16th October 2016, 07:50 PM
Can we just all agree that his name is Layra and not Reira already? It's spelled out in the new intro and even before that it was spelled out on screen in season 2.

KingJinzo
16th October 2016, 08:11 PM
Can we just all agree that his name is Layra and not Reira already? It's spelled out in the new intro and even before that it was spelled out on screen in season 2.

Spelling is a complicated issue in anime. The problem with Reira/Layra is that his name is written in kanji like Leo's name, but it is possible to stylize his Romanized spelling in that way. Since Layra is not the Professor's biological son, Layra/Reira is more or less a red herring. However, since Ray and Leo also follow the "rei/zero" pun, Layra still falls into the "rei" category. Although, he might not be Japanese.

A lot of people don't accept Ute, Hugo and Joeri, since it looks stupid from a YGO viewer's perspective. However, it might be possible for their names to be re-used for future protagonists, since they aren't officially named "Yuto", "Yugo" and "Yuri" in Japanese.

Spelling in anime is often inconsistent. Yusyo/Yusho or Shingo/Singo are minor examples, but they are technically correct, well, at least Yusyo, since "Syo"="Sho" or "Jyo"="Jou" (but not Jyou, since Jyo is already a long O=ou). Like Shun can be spelled Syun, since the pronunciation is the same and the kanjis are still the same. Sawatari's first name Shingo is spelled in katakana, so "Singo" is also valid for technically reasons.

There are a lot of other anime/manga with spelling inconsistencies. While "Layra" has been used consistently, names like Lua=Rua or Luca=Ruka had some issues in the past, and it's not uncommon for companies to screw some names up. One infamous example is Arisa Bunning/Arisa Bannings/Alisa Bunnings/Alisa Bannings/Alyssa B?nnings.

ScionStorm
16th October 2016, 08:39 PM
Doesn't change the fact that Layra's name is spelled--in English--right there in the intro. And spelled consistently. So it's not a mistake. Just as well in obvious that it's definitely Leo with an L otherwise LDS would be RDS. Even if it's a play on how L/R is pronounced in Japanese, this is how they have officially chosen to express the English spelling and done so within the context of the show itself.

Volteccer
16th October 2016, 08:44 PM
Doesn't change the fact that Layra's name is spelled--in English--right there in the intro. And spelled consistently. So it's not a mistake. Just as well in obvious that it's definitely Leo with an L otherwise LDS would be RDS.

And Yuto, Yugo, and Yuri's names have been consistently given as Ute, Hyugo, and Joeri. Doesn't stop everyone for using their preferred spellings.

KingJinzo
16th October 2016, 08:53 PM
And Yuto, Yugo, and Yuri's names have been consistently given as Ute, Hyugo, and Joeri. Doesn't stop everyone for using their preferred spellings.

Actually "Hugo". They stopped using "Hyugo" since Hugo vs Sawatari. "Hyugo" was only used once.

NassX
16th October 2016, 10:53 PM
I enjoyed this episode quite a lot. Just when everyone in the room thought Leo was talking a lot of bullshit, yuzu's memory confirms it all.
These kind of episodes leave us with such hype for upcoming ones. I just want to know which card Yusho was holding; maybe his Sky Magician? Too bad he may not duel at all in arc-v. I'm really seeing that happen...

buttercookies
17th October 2016, 12:26 AM
where are yuri and yugo, they did not appear in this episode and in the next episode preview?
yuya/yuto along with yuri and yugo are awakened when starve venom and clear wing are summoned, now yuya/yuto is normal again, does that means the duel between yuri and yugo is over?

NassX
17th October 2016, 12:57 AM
where are yuri and yugo, they did not appear in this episode and in the next episode preview?
yuya/yuto along with yuri and yugo are awakened when starve venom and clear wing are summoned, now yuya/yuto is normal again, does that means the duel between yuri and yugo is over?

the duel between yuri and yugo barely started, only in episodes 129 and 130 that it will develop. You can know that by reading the next episodes' titles.

Sanokal
17th October 2016, 05:37 AM
Aw, hell. Why did they have to card the bloody Doctor so early? I didn't expect him to be a challenge or anything, but seriously?
On the other hand, HYPED for the Yuya and Declan vs Leo duel, because I stayed unspoiled for that particular part and I did NOT see that coming this quickly.
D/Ds!

Eternalight
17th October 2016, 10:22 AM
I thought the plot twist is that the professor carded people to deliver them to the new united dimension safely..
Well, life energy it is.

Perhaps the entire history or timeline is overwritten.
Which means that the story goes balls deep and creates open interpretations.
If we consider the possibility that the world of DM, GX, 5Ds, ZeXal, and Arc-V are the same, maybe 5Ds wasn't in the same universe as DM and GX. And then the timeline is overwritten at some point, that's why suddenly 5Ds know about the God cards and Yugi. I don't know, man. Things become confusing.
5Ds has timeline reset and time travel plots (Z-ONE & friends time travel + the Trinity suddenly can enter the tournament), ZeXal (if I'm not mistaken) gave Astral to rewrite history at the end, now Arc-V.

Volteccer
17th October 2016, 11:33 AM
I thought the plot twist is that the professor carded people to deliver them to the new united dimension safely..
Well, life energy it is.

Perhaps the entire history or timeline is overwritten.
Which means that the story goes balls deep and creates open interpretations.
If we consider the possibility that the world of DM, GX, 5Ds, ZeXal, and Arc-V are the same, maybe 5Ds wasn't in the same universe as DM and GX. And then the timeline is overwritten at some point, that's why suddenly 5Ds know about the God cards and Yugi. I don't know, man. Things become confusing.
5Ds has timeline reset and time travel plots (Z-ONE & friends time travel + the Trinity suddenly can enter the tournament), ZeXal (if I'm not mistaken) gave Astral to rewrite history at the end, now Arc-V.

For a while there, I was working under the interpretation that Paradox stopped Don Thousand in the 5D's timeline, and that he and Yliastr worked together in the ZeXal one.
When Don Thousand was on Earth handing out the Legendary Numbers, he met up with either Paradox, or Z-ONE.
Paradox wanted to get rid of all Duel Monsters, so he decided to nip that problem in the bud and kill him. This lead to Xyz monsters never having an chance, and we ended up with just Synchros.
When he met with Zone, who realized his problem was only with Synchro monsters, he made sure that Xyz, claimed by Don Thousand to be a safer alternative, became ubiquitous so that Synchros wouldn't happen.
In Either case Fusions were always a thing.

iNfiniTe Se7eNz
17th October 2016, 07:57 PM
I thought the plot twist is that the professor carded people to deliver them to the new united dimension safely..
Well, life energy it is.

Perhaps the entire history or timeline is overwritten.
Which means that the story goes balls deep and creates open interpretations.
If we consider the possibility that the world of DM, GX, 5Ds, ZeXal, and Arc-V are the same, maybe 5Ds wasn't in the same universe as DM and GX. And then the timeline is overwritten at some point, that's why suddenly 5Ds know about the God cards and Yugi. I don't know, man. Things become confusing.
5Ds has timeline reset and time travel plots (Z-ONE & friends time travel + the Trinity suddenly can enter the tournament), ZeXal (if I'm not mistaken) gave Astral to rewrite history at the end, now Arc-V.
Zexal's ending didn't rewrite history, it just revived a bunch of dead people.

False_Revelation
17th October 2016, 10:13 PM
So you love child A enough to kill child B just to bring child A back to life? Thats stupid...
Looks like I was right though. Reiji and Ray are related...but reiji isnt related to the 4 quarters of Ray?? How does that work?

Arc-v 2 anyone?
You managed to beat Zarc but the monsters themselves are still upset so now you have to go to the world(dimension or whatever) where the monsters actually come from. Like when GX went to dark world.
OR. Pendulum dimension.
OR. Ritual dimension taking revenge for being COMPLETELY forgotten about. Now that would be a reason for monsters to be upset.

KingJinzo
18th October 2016, 06:45 PM
I wondered why the dragons and Zarc were silhouetted. We all know what the dragons are and what Zarc's face looks like. It's like this:

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/yugioh-arcv/images/1/1b/Zarc_Sketch.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20161009170036

But from a narrative standpoint, it makes sense. The Professor never specifically mentioned Odd-Eyes Dragon, Dark Rebellion Xyz Dragon, Clear Wing Synchro Dragon and Starve Venom Fusion Dragon. Yuya and co. only heard of four dragons, but not which ones. Zarc's face is not shown because the Professor didn't tell that he had Yuya's face at that point. Similarly, we only got to see Ray's face after the Professor said that she's the original.

Volteccer
18th October 2016, 06:50 PM
I wondered why the dragons and Zarc were silhouetted. We all know what the dragons are and what Zarc's face looks like. It's like this:

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/yugioh-arcv/images/1/1b/Zarc_Sketch.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20161009170036

But from a narrative standpoint, it makes sense. The Professor never specifically mentions Odd-Eyes Dragon, Dark Rebellion Xyz Dragon, Clear Wing Synchro Dragon and Starve Venom Fusion Dragons. Yuya and co. only heard of four dragons, but not which ones. Zarc's face is not shown because the Professor didn't tell that he had Yuya's face at that point. Similarly, we only got to see Ray's face after the Professor said that she's the original.

His face probably actually looks like that, at least after awakening. (Actually, he kind of looks like Don Thousand, which makes him like major villains from all four previous series.)
He could have always looked like that.

KingJinzo
18th October 2016, 07:19 PM
His face probably actually looks like that, at least after awakening. (Actually, he kind of looks like Don Thousand, which makes him like major villains from all four previous series.)
He could have always looked like that.

It's on official sketch, if you didn't know.

NassX
18th October 2016, 10:24 PM
question off topic from the episode: This new Tune Magician is going to be used by yuya certainly right? just to check
I feel like we got to the part of the anime where the protagonist starts dueling the boss guys and starts creating his super plot good cards and evolutions and this tune magician seems to be the first

KingKaash
19th October 2016, 02:06 AM
Man, this episode has me feeling bad for everyone involved. I feel bad for Leo because he lost his daughter and just wants her back. I feel bad for Reiji because his father neglected him. I feel bad for Yuya because he's not evil but he has something evil inside of him and now he's being accused of potential evil and seems like the bad guy. I feel bad for Yusho because he wasn't able to be in his son's life because he spent time trying to stop a guy who's trying to get his daughter back.

I'm having trouble now figuring how who's the evil in the show aside from the thirst of the maniacal audience. It's not Leo for sure because his main motive is to get his daughter back which is not bad. I don't think it's Zarc because he was consumed by the dragons anger. I can't blame the dragons because they don't like being used as weapons of mass destruction and monsters clearly have feelings too. Who is the freaking bad guy then???

I'm pissed that the Doctor was carded like nothing. Could've given him one duel. The brainwashing was good stuff but there's a whole higher, deeper plot of Ray and Zarc that overtakes a brainwashed Yuzu vs Yuya battle.

Atleast now I understand why the bracelets react and send away Yus whenever they get close together. It's a preventive method to stop Zarc from re-emerging. I still don't understand why Leo is calling it Revival Zero. Can someone fill me in on that?

And I didn't watch the first episodes so how the Pendulums began to exist makes no sense still based on Leo's explanation of Standard.

Comun
19th October 2016, 02:55 AM
question off topic from the episode: This new Tune Magician is going to be used by yuya certainly right? just to check
I feel like we got to the part of the anime where the protagonist starts dueling the boss guys and starts creating his super plot good cards and evolutions and this tune magician seems to be the first

None of the other Pendulum Magicians introduced in the OCG were used so far.

Sanokal
19th October 2016, 03:48 AM
Man, this episode has me feeling bad for everyone involved. I feel bad for Leo because he lost his daughter and just wants her back. I feel bad for Reiji because his father neglected him. I feel bad for Yuya because he's not evil but he has something evil inside of him and now he's being accused of potential evil and seems like the bad guy. I feel bad for Yusho because he wasn't able to be in his son's life because he spent time trying to stop a guy who's trying to get his daughter back.

I'm having trouble now figuring how who's the evil in the show aside from the thirst of the maniacal audience. It's not Leo for sure because his main motive is to get his daughter back which is not bad. I don't think it's Zarc because he was consumed by the dragons anger. I can't blame the dragons because they don't like being used as weapons of mass destruction and monsters clearly have feelings too. Who is the freaking bad guy then???

I'm pissed that the Doctor was carded like nothing. Could've given him one duel. The brainwashing was good stuff but there's a whole higher, deeper plot of Ray and Zarc that overtakes a brainwashed Yuzu vs Yuya battle.

Atleast now I understand why the bracelets react and send away Yus whenever they get close together. It's a preventive method to stop Zarc from re-emerging. I still don't understand why Leo is calling it Revival Zero. Can someone fill me in on that?

And I didn't watch the first episodes so how the Pendulums began to exist makes no sense still based on Leo's explanation of Standard.

"rei" means zero, and it's a common part of the names of the Akabas.

Yuya created Pendulums in episode 1, where he transformed Odd-Eyes Dragon into Pendulum Dragon. Declan spent half the first season trying to create the rest.

KingKaash
19th October 2016, 04:07 AM
"rei" means zero, and it's a common part of the names of the Akabas.

Yuya created Pendulums in episode 1, where he transformed Odd-Eyes Dragon into Pendulum Dragon. Declan spent half the first season trying to create the rest.

Ahh thanks for the first explanation. The second still makes no sense. Pendulums were not shown exist in the Unified Dimension in Leo's narration. So how did they come into the Standard Dimension? I bet this is where the power of egao will be explained.

Also it's funny KingJinzo mentiones John Connor. Because technically Leo recreates the "loop paradox" that looms in Terminator. After the Unified Dimension is split into 4, Leo looking for Ray in order to get his daughter back sets off the path to Zarc's resurrection which is something Leo doesn't want. Because Leo searches for Ray's counterparts, this inevitably causes the 4 Yus to cross paths in a hunt for the Yuzus, which can lead to Zarcs revival. Had Leo allowed the Yuzus and Yus to stay happily in their own Dimensions, they might've never come across one another, thus keeping Zarc out of the picture. Similarly, had the Skynet leader not sent back the Terminator to execute Sarah Connor, John Connor would've never sent back Reese to eliminate the Terminator thus keeping John Connor out of the picture.

Sanokal
19th October 2016, 04:45 AM
Yuya's pendant, pretty much. It still hasn't been explained just yet.

Volteccer
19th October 2016, 11:26 AM
Man, this episode has me feeling bad for everyone involved. I feel bad for Leo because he lost his daughter and just wants her back. I feel bad for Reiji because his father neglected him. I feel bad for Yuya because he's not evil but he has something evil inside of him and now he's being accused of potential evil and seems like the bad guy. I feel bad for Yusho because he wasn't able to be in his son's life because he spent time trying to stop a guy who's trying to get his daughter back.

I'm having trouble now figuring how who's the evil in the show aside from the thirst of the maniacal audience. It's not Leo for sure because his main motive is to get his daughter back which is not bad. I don't think it's Zarc because he was consumed by the dragons anger. I can't blame the dragons because they don't like being used as weapons of mass destruction and monsters clearly have feelings too. Who is the freaking bad guy then???.

There might not be a bad guy. Just a bunch of people that want mutually-exclusive things, and other people caught up in circumstance.
However, there's no way no one was killed when the Chaos Giants started toppling buildings, plus starvation due to the destruction of their infrastructure and anyone that killed themselves to at least keep their soul free and not trapped or destroyed (because Leo certainly didn't tell anyone what was going to happen to them). There is almost certainly blood on Leo's hands. Plus the endgame of his plans is destroying the consciousness of four innocent girls. So I'm still calling him the bad guy here.

Eternalight
19th October 2016, 12:41 PM
For a while there, I was working under the interpretation that Paradox stopped Don Thousand in the 5D's timeline, and that he and Yliastr worked together in the ZeXal one.
When Don Thousand was on Earth handing out the Legendary Numbers, he met up with either Paradox, or Z-ONE.
Paradox wanted to get rid of all Duel Monsters, so he decided to nip that problem in the bud and kill him. This lead to Xyz monsters never having an chance, and we ended up with just Synchros.
When he met with Zone, who realized his problem was only with Synchro monsters, he made sure that Xyz, claimed by Don Thousand to be a safer alternative, became ubiquitous so that Synchros wouldn't happen.
In Either case Fusions were always a thing.

I see.


Zexal's ending didn't rewrite history, it just revived a bunch of dead people.

But, if I'm not mistaken, Astral had that power.
If Yuma lose, he will rewrite history so that Barian world never existed and erase all memories about those incidents.
But then, Yuma won and he only, like you said, revived a bunch of dead people. But we don't really know whether there are side effects of their action in history or not.

iNfiniTe Se7eNz
20th October 2016, 12:26 AM
I see.



But, if I'm not mistaken, Astral had that power.
If Yuma lose, he will rewrite history so that Barian world never existed and erase all memories about those incidents.
But then, Yuma won and he only, like you said, revived a bunch of dead people. But we don't really know whether there are side effects of their action in history or not.

I don't think it was retroactive, though. Just making everyone lose their memories, and blow up what was left of the Astral World.

Bloodclown
21st October 2016, 04:20 PM
Whelp what I've been hoping for and saying for a while...

https://ygorganization.com/spfe-super-polymerization/

Super Poly hype.