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J. D. Guy
31st May 2017, 12:22 PM
In which Goukis face off against Cyberse.

Long story somewhat short, though Go turned down SOL previously, his young orphan fans seemed to be interested in the new "hero" Playmaker, so he eventually takes up SOL's proposition for the benefit of those children. He lures Playmaker out with a disguise, and SOL "traps" Playmaker so he can't escape. Go than Duels Playmaker and puts on a show for his young fans, taking a huge chunk of damage before taking the lead.

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I thought I'd make this thread since no one made one for last episode. Will return with my thoughts later, but until then, discuss away. :)

KingKaash
1st June 2017, 03:31 AM
I don't mean this in any offense to you JD Guy, but just curious, where is KingJinzo? I haven't seen him since Arc-V ended

J. D. Guy
1st June 2017, 11:33 AM
I don't mean this in any offense to you JD Guy, but just curious, where is KingJinzo? I haven't seen him since Arc-V ended

None taken.

I'm not sure, really. My best guess is that he took a self-appointed leave of absence. If so, it could be for any reason, like real life stuff, or just to get away from all that Arc-V hate, or just about anything, in truth.

Sanokal
1st June 2017, 04:53 PM
None taken.

I'm not sure, really. My best guess is that he took a self-appointed leave of absence. If so, it could be for any reason, like real life stuff, or just to get away from all that Arc-V hate, or just about anything, in truth.

Well, it's sorta what I did.

Voltanis The Adjudicator
1st June 2017, 06:50 PM
Kind of disappointed GO didn't go (heh) for the double Link Summon in one turn. Had he summoned Headbutt first, boosted Great Ogre, and used it for the third material instead of sacrificing Scorpio, he could have gotten out Thunder Ogre, then used Headbutt's search effect to get out Twist Cobra and normal summon it, then attack with Thunder Ogre, then sacrifice it, preventing Yusaku from getting the extra normal summon effect on his turn. In any event, I really want GO to win this duel, even though I'm sure he won't. Since Yusaku currently has no idea why GO is fighting him other than pride, there's no reason to win this duel, heck it would probably be better to lose and stop being a media spectacle so he can get things done without as much interference. The only reason why he would need to win is if he knew that SOL technologies was secretly trying to use GO to get Ignis, but I suspect that GO doesn't really care about SOL's intentions and just wants the kids at the orphanage to look up to him again, which they would if he won, at which point he can betray SOL and be all "you're a good man, Playmaker, keep doing you and protect the Link VRAINS the kids of this city love" or something cheesy. Man, I should be a writer on this show. Too bad Yusaku's win feels fairly imminent, though I do think he'll be all heroic and refuse to run when hot dog hacker undo's the Nightmare Steelcage so as to not damage GO's pride, even though he'll probably make a comeback anyways.

Also it's pretty interesting how every card they've played so far is exactly identical to their real-world versions. I wonder how long they'll keep that up. Hopefully forever, I really like it when they don't pull off insane shit in the anime that's impossible to do IRL because they slapped a million restrictions on it.

Also Yusaku saying that he doesn't give a shit about GO's entertainment style is literally the funniest thing after an entire show of "STOP THE GENOCIDE AND COME TOGETHER OVER ENTERTAINMENT DUELS!"

Comun
2nd June 2017, 02:27 AM
Yeah, this week's VRAINS really felt very Arc-V.

I also really like how Gou is motivated by his gratitude, but the way it was framed here felt somewhat vain. I'm not sure how to feel about it.

KingKaash
3rd June 2017, 01:19 AM
None taken.

I'm not sure, really. My best guess is that he took a self-appointed leave of absence. If so, it could be for any reason, like real life stuff, or just to get away from all that Arc-V hate, or just about anything, in truth.

I didn't know the hate for Arc-V got to some people that badly. I just tried to block it out. For whatever reason, I hope he comes back.

Anyways onto the episode. A lot of talking during the duel when I'd rather just see them actually duel but again I have to realize these are the introductory episodes. I've been waiting to see Goukis in action in the show before making a complete judgement on it and now I realize it's actually a pretty good deck. The floating ability of Gouki monsters combined with their beatdown strength makes them a pretty good deck. As for GO the character, I'm not too fond of him right now but I think he'll grow on me.

I also got a lot of vibes from Arc-V with the whole Entertainment Dueling style talk.

ScionStorm
3rd June 2017, 02:25 AM
Just curious what you guys think. Do you think VRAINS will acknowledge Pendulums or do you think they'll drop them the way Zexal pretended Synchros didn't exist?

Volteccer
3rd June 2017, 03:08 AM
Just curious what you guys think. Do you think VRAINS will acknowledge Pendulums or do you think they'll drop them the way Zexal pretended Synchros didn't exist?

I think that people would get upset if they drop fusion/synchro/xyz/pendulum, so I think after they give links enough time to shine they'll come back.


Pendulums might be a problem, since in speed duels there's no room for the scales, but that's nothing a Skill can't fix.

KingKaash
3rd June 2017, 06:52 AM
Just curious what you guys think. Do you think VRAINS will acknowledge Pendulums or do you think they'll drop them the way Zexal pretended Synchros didn't exist?

It's a tough call. I feel like using Link Monsters and their pointers opens up the other Monster Zones into Extra Monster Zones that can be used to continue the Link Summoning. And then of course you have the Extra Link concept. So I feel like plopping a Pendulum Monster or any other Extra Deck monster into one of the linked points clogs up the whole strategy of Links. I'm leaning towards VRAINS not acknowledging them at this point.

Voltanis The Adjudicator
3rd June 2017, 05:25 PM
Just curious what you guys think. Do you think VRAINS will acknowledge Pendulums or do you think they'll drop them the way Zexal pretended Synchros didn't exist?

I think there's going to be, like, 4 people max who run a combination of Links and one of the other extra deck summoning mechanics, maybe at most just one of the others, like how Jack and Yusei had that one fusion or Kito had that one Ritual. BUT I don't think we'll see any Pendulum monsters in this series. First because making new ones is pointless when they've been nerfed out of existence and secondly and mainly because acknowledging them would just be an acknowledgement of how badly Konami had to restructure the whole game to force Links into the spotlight. Combined with the utter failure of Arc-V's ending and they're probably going to pretend Arc-V didn't exist for as long as possible, except when insulting it as I believe they did in this episode when our new protagonist basically told our previous protagonist vis-a-vis Charisma Duelist GO to go fuck off.

Sanokal
3rd June 2017, 11:05 PM
I think there's going to be, like, 4 people max who run a combination of Links and one of the other extra deck summoning mechanics, maybe at most just one of the others, like how Jack and Yusei had that one fusion or Kito had that one Ritual. BUT I don't think we'll see any Pendulum monsters in this series. First because making new ones is pointless when they've been nerfed out of existence and secondly and mainly because acknowledging them would just be an acknowledgement of how badly Konami had to restructure the whole game to force Links into the spotlight. Combined with the utter failure of Arc-V's ending and they're probably going to pretend Arc-V didn't exist for as long as possible, except when insulting it as I believe they did in this episode when our new protagonist basically told our previous protagonist vis-a-vis Charisma Duelist GO to go fuck off.

Our new protagonist also happens to be kind of a dick though, and likely going to get a boot up his ass.

KingKaash
6th June 2017, 03:29 AM
Combined with the utter failure of Arc-V's ending and they're probably going to pretend Arc-V didn't exist for as long as possible, except when insulting it as I believe they did in this episode when our new protagonist basically told our previous protagonist vis-a-vis Charisma Duelist GO to go fuck off.

I'm really not trying to start back up the Arc-V complain train but what part of the ending of Arc-V did you think was a failure? The Z-Arc part or the stuff after that?


Our new protagonist also happens to be kind of a dick though, and likely going to get a boot up his ass.

It seems like some really don't like Yusaku's personality thus far but I'm actually enjoying it. He's laser focused on taking down the Knights of Hanoi and doesn't want to waste time with others. I could characterize that as boring but I don't see it as him being a dick when he honestly doesn't care about dueling GO or Aoi. He's just on a mission. If I wanted to take down a hacking group, I'd hire a person like Yusaku who is focused on his job.

Voltanis The Adjudicator
6th June 2017, 05:37 AM
I'm really not trying to start back up the Arc-V complain train but what part of the ending of Arc-V did you think was a failure? The Z-Arc part or the stuff after that?


Luckily I am a sad and bitter person not above flame wars, so all aboard the complain train, choo choo. The Z-Arc arc, the stuff after that and almost everything before it after a couple episodes in the Synchro Dimension were complete and abject failures. Instead of fleshing out all the cool characters they had, including parallel universe versions of old characters, they just kept adding pointless shit that I didn't care about and didn't contribute to the plot. Roger's entire arc ended up being meaningless and stupid, The Doktor was creepy, the Battle Beast was completely random and meaningless, there was that angsty ronin dude who reappeared to get revenge which was ridiculous, etc. The Tyler sisters were at least fun, but they were also meaningless in the end. Yuya kept learning and unlearning the same stupid moral, one that is in reality so god-damn fucking stupid it hurt the first time and became more painful with every reapplication. Rushed endings suck and are all too common these days, but they didn't do themselves any favors with so much filler. And then The Professor ended up being dumb as shit since he could have just killed Yuri or any of the Yu's at any time to ensure Zarc would never return, but nah let's have 1/4th of your greatest enemy do your dirty work since that can't backfire in any way. Also his cards were lame. Also the fact that science explains everything in Arc-V is dumb. Also the last couple of duels were dumb since they either had the wrong people dueling based on what would be emotional or they had the wrong person winning again based on what would actually be emotional. And of course semi-killing off the parallel universes was as stupid as Samurai Jack making everything in the future not real. Also the last few OPs and EDs were terrible, unlike the first few. So yeah, basically everything until, say, Sergey crushing Yuzu (in her last ever duel in the damn show!) was fine, then it all went really downhill.
Also super small nitpick but what the fuck is Odd-Eyes Raging Dragon? It's not a combination of Odd-Eyes and one of the other Dragons, it's just... there, for no real reason except to be a better Odd-Eyes Rebellion Dragon like that was necessary. It's shown in an OP like it matters but it got used... once, twice, maybe? And had no connection to the plot, like everything in Arc-V. Heck, how can they even upgrade their dragons? Yugo has Crystal Wing, Yuto had Requiem, Yuri had something I forget, but when each dragon is supposed to be a plot-relevant item instead of just another card, suddenly having evolutions for it already prepared makes no damn sense. It's like a sticky note attached to ancient hieroglyphs explaining how the Winged Dragon of Ra can be digivolved into Mecha-Ra. You can't just make new forms for cards with mystical backgrounds without explaining how those new cards formed. 5Ds and ZeXal understood that very well.

Dread Kaiser
6th June 2017, 06:20 AM
Luckily I am a sad and bitter person not above flame wars, so all aboard the complain train, choo choo. The Z-Arc arc, the stuff after that and almost everything before it after a couple episodes in the Synchro Dimension were complete and abject failures. Instead of fleshing out all the cool characters they had, including parallel universe versions of old characters, they just kept adding pointless shit that I didn't care about and didn't contribute to the plot. Roger's entire arc ended up being meaningless and stupid, The Doktor was creepy, the Battle Beast was completely random and meaningless, there was that angsty ronin dude who reappeared to get revenge which was ridiculous, etc. The Tyler sisters were at least fun, but they were also meaningless in the end. Yuya kept learning and unlearning the same stupid moral, one that is in reality so god-damn fucking stupid it hurt the first time and became more painful with every reapplication. Rushed endings suck and are all too common these days, but they didn't do themselves any favors with so much filler. And then The Professor ended up being dumb as shit since he could have just killed Yuri or any of the Yu's at any time to ensure Zarc would never return, but nah let's have 1/4th of your greatest enemy do your dirty work since that can't backfire in any way. Also his cards were lame. Also the fact that science explains everything in Arc-V is dumb. Also the last couple of duels were dumb since they either had the wrong people dueling based on what would be emotional or they had the wrong person winning again based on what would actually be emotional. And of course semi-killing off the parallel universes was as stupid as Samurai Jack making everything in the future not real. Also the last few OPs and EDs were terrible, unlike the first few. So yeah, basically everything until, say, Sergey crushing Yuzu (in her last ever duel in the damn show!) was fine, then it all went really downhill.
Also super small nitpick but what the fuck is Odd-Eyes Raging Dragon? It's not a combination of Odd-Eyes and one of the other Dragons, it's just... there, for no real reason except to be a better Odd-Eyes Rebellion Dragon like that was necessary. It's shown in an OP like it matters but it got used... once, twice, maybe? And had no connection to the plot, like everything in Arc-V. Heck, how can they even upgrade their dragons? Yugo has Crystal Wing, Yuto had Requiem, Yuri had something I forget, but when each dragon is supposed to be a plot-relevant item instead of just another card, suddenly having evolutions for it already prepared makes no damn sense. It's like a sticky note attached to ancient hieroglyphs explaining how the Winged Dragon of Ra can be digivolved into Mecha-Ra. You can't just make new forms for cards with mystical backgrounds without explaining how those new cards formed. 5Ds and ZeXal understood that very well.

1, dude, Line Break.
2, while plenty of that was true, Roget and the Synchro arc, for all it's problems, was far from meaningless. Roget himself was probably one of the best Villains we've seen, easily among the most competent (most of his fuck ups were the result of his lackeys not following orders. 227 being stupid, Sergey disobeying, the entirety of the Facillaties guards...fuck if it wasn't for those idiots the story would have likely ended then and there).

The point of the Synchro arc was basically to get their own equivlent of the Obelisk force, an elite team, or an army, AKA Security. the Lancers already had the best Standard had to offer (and it wasn't much), Xyz was in ruins and Fusion was the enemy so they only had 1 place to go. they needed support. Roget was in the way as he didn't want to get the attention of his former employer. thanks to Roget, they only got 3 guys and immediately lost several to his wormhole machine.

the ending was trash, no one is arguing THAT one. Never really got to see anything of Rin or Ruri
"Lol. 3 dimensions destroyed, including the one I lived in. mah best friend and sister are gone forever. Literally everyone and everything I knew, loved and worked for has vanished into the uncaring void. but it's all good cuz Smiles"
-Kurosaki Shun.

Also never trust the opening, remember how it promised us Odd-eyes Rebellion VS Clear Wing. that happened right? or Kurosaki chasing a missile. that happened too right?

3, Raging Dragon less a "Fusion" of 2 dragons and more Zarc-Lite. Their dragons having upgrades is perfectly sensible, that was their original form. unlike the Yu's themselves, the Dragons weren't originally part of zarc, they also weren't anything particularly special until Zarc fused with them, they were just regular, albeit powerful, dragons so Zarc went to put them in his deck. saying that makes no sense is like saying Shooting Star Dragon shouldn't exist because Majestic Star was already a thing. or Utopia. and yes they can just make new forms for magical monsters with no explanation, they've done it for years (where the hell did Over Top Clear Mind come from to make Quasar, Yusei just decided to one-up his future self and did it. /explanation. also Life Stream Dragon)

Volteccer
6th June 2017, 12:04 PM
It seems like some really don't like Yusaku's personality thus far but I'm actually enjoying it. He's laser focused on taking down the Knights of Hanoi and doesn't want to waste time with others. I could characterize that as boring but I don't see it as him being a dick when he honestly doesn't care about dueling GO or Aoi. He's just on a mission. If I wanted to take down a hacking group, I'd hire a person like Yusaku who is focused on his job.

I'm fine with him as is. Its almost a given that hes going to learn about the Magic of Friendship(TM) by the end of the series; him starting as a loner that doesn't care about dueling gives him room for something of a character arc, hopefully. I just hope it's not an overnight thing.

Sanokal
6th June 2017, 12:52 PM
And do recall that I still haven't seen VRAINS, so take anything that I say about it with a pinch of salt.

Voltanis The Adjudicator
6th June 2017, 03:13 PM
1, dude, Line Break.
2, while plenty of that was true, Roget and the Synchro arc, for all it's problems, was far from meaningless. Roget himself was probably one of the best Villains we've seen, easily among the most competent (most of his fuck ups were the result of his lackeys not following orders. 227 being stupid, Sergey disobeying, the entirety of the Facillaties guards...fuck if it wasn't for those idiots the story would have likely ended then and there).

The point of the Synchro arc was basically to get their own equivlent of the Obelisk force, an elite team, or an army, AKA Security. the Lancers already had the best Standard had to offer (and it wasn't much), Xyz was in ruins and Fusion was the enemy so they only had 1 place to go. they needed support. Roget was in the way as he didn't want to get the attention of his former employer. thanks to Roget, they only got 3 guys and immediately lost several to his wormhole machine.

the ending was trash, no one is arguing THAT one. Never really got to see anything of Rin or Ruri
"Lol. 3 dimensions destroyed, including the one I lived in. mah best friend and sister are gone forever. Literally everyone and everything I knew, loved and worked for has vanished into the uncaring void. but it's all good cuz Smiles"
-Kurosaki Shun.

Also never trust the opening, remember how it promised us Odd-eyes Rebellion VS Clear Wing. that happened right? or Kurosaki chasing a missile. that happened too right?

3, Raging Dragon less a "Fusion" of 2 dragons and more Zarc-Lite. Their dragons having upgrades is perfectly sensible, that was their original form. unlike the Yu's themselves, the Dragons weren't originally part of zarc, they also weren't anything particularly special until Zarc fused with them, they were just regular, albeit powerful, dragons so Zarc went to put them in his deck. saying that makes no sense is like saying Shooting Star Dragon shouldn't exist because Majestic Star was already a thing. or Utopia. and yes they can just make new forms for magical monsters with no explanation, they've done it for years (where the hell did Over Top Clear Mind come from to make Quasar, Yusei just decided to one-up his future self and did it. /explanation. also Life Stream Dragon)

1: I was tired when I made this, okay?

2: I hope you don't mean to say he was one of the best villains in all of Yugioh, because if so, LOL. Who cares how competent he was, he's the most generic villain we've ever had. All he wants to do is take over the world and have lots of power to look down on people! He has no depth, no backstory, no flaws outside of being a generic evil jerk, and the fact of the matter is that they spent on an entire long arc dealing with a dude whose plans literally didn't matter in the end when the Synchro Dimension no longer exists. Again, like Samurai Jack, they fought so hard to protect something that in the end was lost anyways and they just didn't care. That's the worst part, really. The Professor was allowing multi-dimensional holocausts and didn't care because he only cared about the pre-existing world, so the good guys oppose him because they assumably care about all the people he's letting die, but then they let them die anyways, so they're not really any better than the "noble extremist" villain!

But Security isn't an elite team, they're literally an endless supply of faceless lookalikes. These aren't the super battle droids you're looking for, they're more like the clone army. The Council has their own, much cooler looking personal guard. Also what's the point when the Obelisk Force, who aren't interesting characters themselves because, again, they're faceless mooks instead of at least individualized grunts, attack at the end, anyways? You can't have an elite team of clones with the same personality and deck! It makes every duel with them uninteresting by default. Someone taking out three, five, a million of them at once isn't as impressive as it would be to beat one new, fully fleshed-out person with a new deck instead of fucking Ancient Gears again. I don't think pretty much ever before in Yugioh we saw the same stupid deck being beaten over and over again.

2.5: Showing monsters facing off is just to be cool, as is people chasing a missile meant to symbolize his general quest against LDS. But to show the hero's monster at all implies it has real meaning, which it doesn't because...

3: If Raging Dragon is Zarc-Lite, why is it A: almost identical to Odd-Eyes Rebellion Dragon, just slightly better in OTK powers and B: not a Fusion monster like Z-Arc is? And the whole idea that the cards were just normal until peer pressure turned them into gods of destruction is also super dumb, it takes away all the power behind them and reminds you just how silly it is that pieces of cardboard far removed from mystical Egyptian shadow games can kill people. It's the same reason why it's stupid that Z-One wasn't actually future Yusei but just some random fanboy. When you except something to have significance but then it's just everyday run-of-the-mill, it's disappointing, like finding a sticky note explaining the prophecy of legend.

Bonus: Also I forgot to mention how dumb Action Cards are, since adding some unlimited and unrestricted free advantage into the game makes duels completely meaningless. Literally there are no good Action Duels because by its very nature one can win thanks to reasons completely outside of the decks, i.e. the only thing that should matter. Yugioh, like other cerebral games like chess, should be an equal playing field between an Olympic sprinter and someone in a wheelchair, but in Action Duels, it's not. Also why bother creating this new method of dueling and new form of card that no one else understands because public knowledge doesn't exist in the show to help you win and not just create a bunch of cards that say "win the duel"? This is actually a bigger complaint of mine, that if card games are going to decide the fate of the world, why wouldn't the card makers just make unfun but auto-win cards to ensure some space demon can't kill them?

Dread Kaiser
6th June 2017, 05:15 PM
1: I was tired when I made this, okay?

2: I hope you don't mean to say he was one of the best villains in all of Yugioh, because if so, LOL. Who cares how competent he was, he's the most generic villain we've ever had. All he wants to do is take over the world and have lots of power to look down on people! He has no depth, no backstory, no flaws outside of being a generic evil jerk, and the fact of the matter is that they spent on an entire long arc dealing with a dude whose plans literally didn't matter in the end when the Synchro Dimension no longer exists. Again, like Samurai Jack, they fought so hard to protect something that in the end was lost anyways and they just didn't care. That's the worst part, really. The Professor was allowing multi-dimensional holocausts and didn't care because he only cared about the pre-existing world, so the good guys oppose him because they assumably care about all the people he's letting die, but then they let them die anyways, so they're not really any better than the "noble extremist" villain!

yes because Yugioh is famous for deep, complex villains. no wait half of them are generic evil for the sake of it destroy the world demon things, he doesn't have much competition. Competency is an EXTREMELY important thing to have in a villain and Roget would have changed the plot several times over if his subordinates didn't fuck up.

he had depth, he had backstory and what do you mean the Dimension no longer exists? the Original Dimension is the one that was gone for good, Synchro is still there, Xyz is still there, Fusion is still there. Standard was rebranded.


But Security isn't an elite team, they're literally an endless supply of faceless lookalikes. These aren't the super battle droids you're looking for, they're more like the clone army. The Council has their own, much cooler looking personal guard. Also what's the point when the Obelisk Force, who aren't interesting characters themselves because, again, they're faceless mooks instead of at least individualized grunts, attack at the end, anyways? You can't have an elite team of clones with the same personality and deck! It makes every duel with them uninteresting by default. Someone taking out three, five, a million of them at once isn't as impressive as it would be to beat one new, fully fleshed-out person with a new deck instead of fucking Ancient Gears again. I don't think pretty much ever before in Yugioh we saw the same stupid deck being beaten over and over again.

yep, EXACTLY like the obelisk force. Reiji wanted cannon fodder to throw at them. Also they are an elite team because they were described as such, and they showed it by having....what 9 guys destroy a lot of individualized cannon fodder back when they debuted, Then gave the main characters an legit tough duel. there was a reason Roget freaked out over their arrival. just because they weren't impressive to you doesn't mean they were not a legit threat

and yes we have seen he same stupid deck being beaten over and over again. fittingly, the best example were Ancient Gears. Crowler in GX lost all the damn time, and they showed up in 5D's to get screwed by Yusei. Yuma is the only spinoff protag to NOT destroy an ancient Gear User.
then in DM there was Mai and her Harpies. what was her win/loss again?
and for individual cards, Sakaretsu Armor. EVERY singe time that card was set, it was blown up.

That said, Yugioh doesn't have much in the way of recurring villains, so the Obelisk force does stand out there. on that note, Academia was a military, the Obelisk Force were soldiers, given standard Issue weapons much like Security were given Standard Issue Goyos and the Lancers were given standard issue Action Fields


2.5: Showing monsters facing off is just to be cool, as is people chasing a missile meant to symbolize his general quest against LDS. But to show the hero's monster at all implies it has real meaning, which it doesn't because...

3: If Raging Dragon is Zarc-Lite, why is it A: almost identical to Odd-Eyes Rebellion Dragon, just slightly better in OTK powers and B: not a Fusion monster like Z-Arc is? And the whole idea that the cards were just normal until peer pressure turned them into gods of destruction is also super dumb, it takes away all the power behind them and reminds you just how silly it is that pieces of cardboard far removed from mystical Egyptian shadow games can kill people. It's the same reason why it's stupid that Z-One wasn't actually future Yusei but just some random fanboy. When you except something to have significance but then it's just everyday run-of-the-mill, it's disappointing, like finding a sticky note explaining the prophecy of legend.

because Zarc wasn't Just fusion, he was fusion, synchro and Xyz. Yuya only had Yuto merged with him so neither he or Raging had those last 2 mixed in, only Xyz and Pendulum. so it was an Xyz/pendulum. Zarc was in control at the time and he was trying to summon as much of himself as he could given only half of him was present. it also just happened to use the same materials, but with more Evil mixed in. Think Elemental HERO Flame Wingman VS Evil HERO Inferno Wing.

also, did you actually watch the end of the show? the monsters in ARC V were NEVER pieces of cardboard. one of the Professors big revelations was that Real solid vision was making ACTUAL, REAL, MONSTERS. With Souls that reacted to their enviroment, he basically reproduced the shadow games via technology. he ignored the implications of this, and no one else noticed it and Zarc was the result. and these Real monsters got pissy when they were forced into what amounted to a blood sport for their amusement. not exactly what I would call Peer Pressure, they didn't just Hulk out, they outright revolted once they found a duelist that would let them.

See kids, that's what happens when you mistreat your demi-gods pets. they end the fucking world.


Bonus: Also I forgot to mention how dumb Action Cards are, since adding some unlimited and unrestricted free advantage into the game makes duels completely meaningless. Literally there are no good Action Duels because by its very nature one can win thanks to reasons completely outside of the decks, i.e. the only thing that should matter. Yugioh, like other cerebral games like chess, should be an equal playing field between an Olympic sprinter and someone in a wheelchair, but in Action Duels, it's not. Also why bother creating this new method of dueling and new form of card that no one else understands because public knowledge doesn't exist in the show to help you win and not just create a bunch of cards that say "win the duel"? This is actually a bigger complaint of mine, that if card games are going to decide the fate of the world, why wouldn't the card makers just make unfun but auto-win cards to ensure some space demon can't kill them?

you use the word "meaningless" a lot, I'm not sure you know what it means.

the action cards were to give the writers breathing room, the cards in their decks could now be dedicated more to making an enjoyable duel instead of ....well Zexal formula of "summon Ace, set backrow, immediately use backrow to not get OTK'd, then convienently draw extra cards so MC actually has a hand to make a comeback with". even notice how often Yuma played Xyz treasure, Speed World 2's Card Draw or the infamous "counts as 2 material for Xyz"? same reason, the writers have been metaphorically throwing extra cards at the protags from the start, they just stopped being subtle and did it literally. they also enabled extra drama (which is actually plot relevant as Entertaining the audience was the point of a lot of duels) along with some more creative ways they were used ("Ronin Guy" beating the shit out of his opponents, Action Traps (painfully underutilized)

talking from a card game mechanics point of view, yes they were extremely stupid, much like the Motorcycles of 5D's or and likely the Skills of VRAINS. they just made things easier for the duel writers

KingKaash
7th June 2017, 02:47 AM
I'm fine with him as is. Its almost a given that hes going to learn about the Magic of Friendship(TM) by the end of the series; him starting as a loner that doesn't care about dueling gives him room for something of a character arc, hopefully. I just hope it's not an overnight thing.

You nailed it! I forgot to mention that part. Yusaku will grow from isolated "dick" to making friends with the other characters and I'll enjoy that because the main reason I watch shows is for character development. But for right now I'm liking the serious demeanor.

I hope it's not an overnight thing. I think it'd be cool if Yusaku starts trusting the other characters and then they get framed somehow for going against Yusaku in some way or accidentally helping the enemy and then Yusaku goes back to the way he is right now for a little bit. Yusaku looks like he has trust issues.


Luckily I am a sad and bitter person not above flame wars, so all aboard the complain train, choo choo. The Z-Arc arc, the stuff after that and almost everything before it after a couple episodes in the Synchro Dimension were complete and abject failures. Instead of fleshing out all the cool characters they had, including parallel universe versions of old characters, they just kept adding pointless shit that I didn't care about and didn't contribute to the plot. Roger's entire arc ended up being meaningless and stupid, The Doktor was creepy, the Battle Beast was completely random and meaningless, there was that angsty ronin dude who reappeared to get revenge which was ridiculous, etc. The Tyler sisters were at least fun, but they were also meaningless in the end. Yuya kept learning and unlearning the same stupid moral, one that is in reality so god-damn fucking stupid it hurt the first time and became more painful with every reapplication. Rushed endings suck and are all too common these days, but they didn't do themselves any favors with so much filler. And then The Professor ended up being dumb as shit since he could have just killed Yuri or any of the Yu's at any time to ensure Zarc would never return, but nah let's have 1/4th of your greatest enemy do your dirty work since that can't backfire in any way. Also his cards were lame. Also the fact that science explains everything in Arc-V is dumb. Also the last couple of duels were dumb since they either had the wrong people dueling based on what would be emotional or they had the wrong person winning again based on what would actually be emotional. And of course semi-killing off the parallel universes was as stupid as Samurai Jack making everything in the future not real. Also the last few OPs and EDs were terrible, unlike the first few. So yeah, basically everything until, say, Sergey crushing Yuzu (in her last ever duel in the damn show!) was fine, then it all went really downhill.
Also super small nitpick but what the fuck is Odd-Eyes Raging Dragon? It's not a combination of Odd-Eyes and one of the other Dragons, it's just... there, for no real reason except to be a better Odd-Eyes Rebellion Dragon like that was necessary. It's shown in an OP like it matters but it got used... once, twice, maybe? And had no connection to the plot, like everything in Arc-V. Heck, how can they even upgrade their dragons? Yugo has Crystal Wing, Yuto had Requiem, Yuri had something I forget, but when each dragon is supposed to be a plot-relevant item instead of just another card, suddenly having evolutions for it already prepared makes no damn sense. It's like a sticky note attached to ancient hieroglyphs explaining how the Winged Dragon of Ra can be digivolved into Mecha-Ra. You can't just make new forms for cards with mystical backgrounds without explaining how those new cards formed. 5Ds and ZeXal understood that very well.

Don't be sad be glad. Anyway you said ending but Sergey crushing Yuzu was like the halfway point of the entire Arc-V. Still I wanted to make a thread about everything I thought was wrong with Arc-V but I didn't want to be the negative nancy.

-I do agree that the show was rushed.
-To me the Doktor, the Battle Beast and the Tyler Sisters were all soldiers of Academia. When you're a battle school like Academia you have to have obstacles like that. I wouldn't call them meaningless but the Doktor could've definitely been developed into more of a threat.
-I found it cool that the Professor used Yuri the whole way. It showed some depth for Leo by showing he can be manipulative. How many guys are you gonna find that are strong as Yuya, Yuto and Yugo? Instead might as well get one of them to work for you who can actually stand a chance against the others. And then if Yuri ever turned on Leo he probably thought he could stop him which he couldn't. I liked that one of the 4 Yus were evil.
-Yugo should've pulled out some Accel Synchro stuff to merge his Roids with his dragon to really have meaning. Yuto accessing Rank-Up is just like Yuma accessing Rank-Up so I'm fine with that. Judai didn't really push the limits of Fusion summoning higher (unless you count Contact Fusion) but merging Predaplants with his dragon was a decent step. Like Dread said for Raging Dragon, Yuya was starting to show off Z-Arc potential with the Yuya+Yuto half he did have. You can argue though that it was unnecessary since Odd-Eyes Rebellion Dragon was already created

J. D. Guy
7th June 2017, 10:12 AM
It's a tough call. I feel like using Link Monsters and their pointers opens up the other Monster Zones into Extra Monster Zones that can be used to continue the Link Summoning. And then of course you have the Extra Link concept. So I feel like plopping a Pendulum Monster or any other Extra Deck monster into one of the linked points clogs up the whole strategy of Links. I'm leaning towards VRAINS not acknowledging them at this point.

Remember, regular Master Duels will be a thing, so there is ample time to show them off. Pendulums, and any other kind of card and Dueling style.

Honestly, we have ample time to show off a lot of things. We have 3 years, and we're barely in the second month of the first one, so I'll say that it's unwise to write off anything at this point in time.

Lastly... Pendulums don't quite work like that. I think you may be confusing some things here. Pendulums and Links don't really conflict, outside the general fact that anything ED related is affected by the new rules. Simply put, you can use Pendulums to make Links, then Pendulum Summon back the Material to make more Links or other Extra Deck stuff.

Dread Kaiser
7th June 2017, 04:45 PM
Remember, regular Master Duels will be a thing, so there is ample time to show them off. Pendulums, and any other kind of card and Dueling style.

Honestly, we have ample time to show off a lot of things. We have 3 years, and we're barely in the second month of the first one, so I'll say that it's unwise to write off anything at this point in time.

Lastly... Pendulums don't quite work like that. I think you may be confusing some things here. Pendulums and Links don't really conflict, outside the general fact that anything ED related is affected by the new rules. Simply put, you can use Pendulums to make Links, then Pendulum Summon back the Material to make more Links or other Extra Deck stuff.

and they have not been a thing at all thus far. also non-Action Duels in ARC V were a thing.....we know how often that happened

J. D. Guy
8th June 2017, 03:29 AM
and they have not been a thing at all thus far. also non-Action Duels in ARC V were a thing.....we know how often that happened

Not sure what you're getting. It not being a thing yet doesn't meant it never will, and frequency doesn't really factor into anything, either.

Sanokal
8th June 2017, 06:46 AM
and they have not been a thing at all thus far. also non-Action Duels in ARC V were a thing.....we know how often that happened

They happened more often than you'd think.

J. D. Guy
8th June 2017, 12:29 PM
They happened more often than you'd think.

Also, precisely this.

Comun
8th June 2017, 07:28 PM
I'm not a big fan of Speed Duels, but I would be fine with the proportion being like pre-WRGP 5D's Riding/Ground Duel proportion.

Voltanis The Adjudicator
8th June 2017, 10:58 PM
Lol called it 100%, right down to the mentioning of GO's pride, also implied that Yusaku never even knew he was fighting SOL by proxy.

Also they better put some more budget into Speed Duel animation, because right now they look like they're going at 2 MPH and it's dumb as shit. Plus it's stupid for characters to fight and not even look at each other.

More importantly, though, is how bad Link summoning is aesthetically. They jump up but then somehow teleport right back on track, plus instead of the classic summoning chants, we just get a very militaristic and repetitive "settings confirmed". (Another casualty of switching from magic to science. And even 5D's Synchro summon had a cool gear and rays of light thing going on. Here they plug into some arrow keys. Pretty far cry from the glowing galaxy void of Xyz or the spinning arc of Pendulum.) Speaking of repetitiveness, the fact that every time someone Link Summons they say the word Link three times in one sentence, combined with the fact that the whole shtick of LS is to do it several times at once like Yusaku did means that we'll be hearing that same stupid line over and over again, to the point where we'll look back at "but you'll still take the damage!" as quaint.

So yeah, though I still want to believe in this show, each episode has been worse than the last and I need to see something that will reverse that trend. Blue Angel could in theory do that but let's be real, the odds of a woman being important in Yugioh at this point at this time are not bigly. Sad!

KingKaash
9th June 2017, 01:37 AM
Remember, regular Master Duels will be a thing, so there is ample time to show them off. Pendulums, and any other kind of card and Dueling style.

Honestly, we have ample time to show off a lot of things. We have 3 years, and we're barely in the second month of the first one, so I'll say that it's unwise to write off anything at this point in time.

Lastly... Pendulums don't quite work like that. I think you may be confusing some things here. Pendulums and Links don't really conflict, outside the general fact that anything ED related is affected by the new rules. Simply put, you can use Pendulums to make Links, then Pendulum Summon back the Material to make more Links or other Extra Deck stuff.

I'm not sure why you bring up Master Duels. But I do agree that there is plenty of time for them to acknowledge it. And also I guess you're right that you can keep spamming back the Pendulums to the Link Points of the Link Monster already on the field to Link Climb forward. My bad

Dread Kaiser
9th June 2017, 01:53 AM
Lol called it 100%, right down to the mentioning of GO's pride, also implied that Yusaku never even knew he was fighting SOL by proxy.


he is probably aware, given that no one else can just drop a cage on him to prevent logout

J. D. Guy
9th June 2017, 05:48 AM
I'm not sure why you bring up Master Duels. But I do agree that there is plenty of time for them to acknowledge it. And also I guess you're right that you can keep spamming back the Pendulums to the Link Points of the Link Monster already on the field to Link Climb forward. My bad

I mentioned Master Duels, because that's what they're calling normal, full-field Duels. In those Duels. the left and right-most S/T Zones are available, meaning the Pendulums Zones are available. A Duel that makes use of them wouldn't be a Speed Duel, as those Zones aren't used then, so it'd have to be a Master Duel.

Comun
9th June 2017, 02:10 PM
he is probably aware, given that no one else can just drop a cage on him to prevent logout

That and and the fact we saw Kusanagi figuring out it was SOL. This is important information he would want to tell Yusaku.