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KingKaash
18th December 2015, 06:19 AM
Ahh I'm finally on winter break and can post a little more. So I wanted to know the difference between Archfiend Eccentrick and MST other than the fact that one is a Pendulum Monster and the other is a Spell Card? What are the weaknesses and strengths of each? For example does Archfiend Eccentrick have a higher chance of getting stopped by my opponent than MST? And which one is better? I'm pretty sure that depends on the situation but one has to have more positives than the other.

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/yugioh/images/8/82/ArchfiendEccentrick-CORE-EN-ScR-1E.png/revision/latest?cb=20150804081817

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/yugioh/images/e/eb/MysticalSpaceTyphoon-SDMP-EN-C-1E.png/revision/latest?cb=20151202232109

Dread Kaiser
18th December 2015, 06:32 AM
MST, been around so long no one should really have to explain its in's and outs

Purely as a backrow killer, MST wins. Quick-play, not vulnerable first, next to 0 possibility of zones being full, etc

the rest is....apples and oranges really. I don't think you can really make a fair comparison of them beyond that. its like Comparing Shadowmist to Emergency call: 1 function vs similar function with a load of other competely independent uses alongside it. but here it goes anyway

After the fact, Eccentrick is then a recursive Exiled force that most scales can get back.
Before the fact, she is probably the best generic Pendulum scale

MST is.......MST

Volteccer
18th December 2015, 01:24 PM
Yeah, her pendulum effect is just a neat little bonus; you're mostly using her for her monster effect.

Drakylon
19th December 2015, 05:36 AM
Don't forget: Eccentrick is searchable via Archfiend Hieress, and it can function as an emergency 7-scale that can vacate its zone when needed. The same can't be said for MST.

I would say it can also trigger Plushfire, but that's going to be dead in a month. Rejoice!

SynjoDeonecros
19th December 2015, 06:03 PM
I only have Eccentrick in one of my decks, and even then, it's iffy if I use it. MST, however, I use in most of my decks, so I say MST is better; scale hate is strong, right now, so Eccentrick's going to be in the line of fire more often than not.

Jolan
19th December 2015, 08:55 PM
Okay but consider the following : i can have both 3x MST and 3x Eccentrick in my Pendulum deck and thus get rid of backrow as usual while also having access to a potential scale that can become an exiled force after being an MST !

SynjoDeonecros
19th December 2015, 09:02 PM
But you need pendulum scales to make use of that exiled force effect; you don't need anything for MST. Sorry, but I don't see how Eccentrick is any better in any non-pendulum deck than MST.

KingKaash
19th December 2015, 11:34 PM
So the main consensus I'm getting is that Eccentrick is better suited in a Pendulum deck because it can be summoned back and the monster effect is more commonly used. So MST does it's job of backrow removal in almost any deck. I should've mentioned at the beginning that I was asking this question in regards to which would be better for me when I'm making a non-pendulum deck (tho Pendulum decks seem very enticing)

Sanokal
20th December 2015, 01:26 AM
Synjo makes an excellent point that I forgot to consider.

KingJinzo
20th December 2015, 01:53 AM
MST can be set as a bluff. Your opponent can waste their own MST to destroy your own MST. Since you can activate MST at the End Phase to destroy a new card your opponent just had set, you defuse their backrow before they even get the chance to activate them. While it doesn't get much use during your Battle Phase, in the rare case that your opponent's monster is suddenly equipped with a new card, e.g. like Graydle stealing your monster, you can destroy the Equip Card during your Battle Phase with MST. Since you were asking whether Eccentric Archfiend is a better backrow killer than MST, her effect being Spell Speed 1, she's not as flexible. Against Anti-Spell Fragrance, her Pendulum Effect is useless, while MST can destroy it during your opponent's turn. In non-Pendulum decks, MST has more utility than EA who doesn't even get her useful Monster Effect if she was planned as a MST replacement in the first place.

KingKaash
20th December 2015, 04:51 AM
MST can be set as bluff. Your opponent can waste their own MST to destroy your own MST. Since you can MST activate at the End Phase to destroy a new card your opponent just had set, you defuse their backrow before they even get the chance to activate them. While it doesn't get much use during your Battle Phase, in the rare case that your opponent's monster is suddenly equipped with a new card, e.g. like Graydle stealing your monster, you can destroy the Equip Card during your Battle Phase with MST. Since you were asking whether Eccentric Archfiend is a better backrow killer than MST, her effect being Spell Speed 1, she's not as flexible. Against Anti-Spell Fragrance, her Pendulum Effect is useless, while MST can destroy it during your opponent's turn. In non-Pendulum decks, MST has more utility than EA who doesn't even get her useful Monster Effect if she was planned as a MST replacement in the first place.

Tremendous answer! Thank you! So the reason Eccentrick has such a hefty price tag is because it is one of the best generic Pendulums out there that also functions as a psuedo-MST? Because I was wondering why that card was so expensive $$$

Dread Kaiser
20th December 2015, 05:19 AM
Wait did someone actually need to spell out the ins and outs of MST like that.........

ugh

Hope in the Interstice
20th December 2015, 05:34 AM
Wait did someone actually need to spell out the ins and outs of MST like that.........

ugh
New people coming to play all the time.

KingKaash
20th December 2015, 05:48 AM
New people coming to play all the time.

Yes I should've pointed out I'm very new to dueling. I've been watching the anime since the beginning. But never really gotten into dueing. Thanks for the help

Thanako
20th December 2015, 04:01 PM
Twin Twister is pretty much objectively better than both of these cards. But I don't know if it's TCG legal or anything. I have to give it to Archfiend Eccentrick, though. If used right, it is a nice little reusable thing every turn, though not for the comparative reason shown here.

Jolan
20th December 2015, 06:52 PM
Basically Archfiend Eccentrick is strictly not better than MST and for that reason ,it should be a generic and common card rather than some expensive Secret rare with 0 reprints.

KingKaash
23rd December 2015, 02:14 AM
Basically Archfiend Eccentrick is strictly not better than MST and for that reason ,it should be a generic and common card rather than some expensive Secret rare with 0 reprints.

So that's why it's so expensive! I don't follow all of the rarity and reprints but that explains a lot

citrus
23rd December 2015, 06:44 PM
Twin Twister is pretty much objectively better than both of these cards.

While agree that its effect is stronger than MST and Eccentrick, the fact that it requires discarding to activate makes it a poor choice in any strategy that cannot support the cost. Granted, I don't think there's a competitive strategy right now or in the near future to which that applies, it still can't be said that Twin Twister is strictly better.

As for the OP, the problem with both MST and Eccentrick (hence why its price is falling), is that they can't effectively deal with Anti-Spell Fragrance, which is one of the most problematic cards for Pendulum decks to deal with today. While Fragrance is active, Eccentrick can't be activated at all to use its Pendulum effect, so, at best, it can only pre-emptively destroy a set Fragrance. Even that would be hard to do, because you cannot use Eccentrick's Pendulum effect during your opponent's turn, when your opponent would've set Fragrance. MST is slightly better, in that you can activate it in response to the activation of Fragrance, but neither can do anything to address a face-up Fragrance.

Thanako
23rd December 2015, 07:21 PM
While agree that its effect is stronger than MST and Eccentrick, the fact that it requires discarding to activate makes it a poor choice in any strategy that cannot support the cost. Granted, I don't think there's a competitive strategy right now or in the near future to which that applies, it still can't be said that Twin Twister is strictly better.

As for the OP, the problem with both MST and Eccentrick (hence why its price is falling), is that they can't effectively deal with Anti-Spell Fragrance, which is one of the most problematic cards for Pendulum decks to deal with today. While Fragrance is active, Eccentrick can't be activated at all to use its Pendulum effect, so, at best, it can only pre-emptively destroy a set Fragrance. Even that would be hard to do, because you cannot use Eccentrick's Pendulum effect during your opponent's turn, when your opponent would've set Fragrance. MST is slightly better, in that you can activate it in response to the activation of Fragrance, but neither can do anything to address a face-up Fragrance.

As for where the game is right now; having the cost is actually a good thing. How many decks can just explode with a card in the grave that is harder to get there via the field? You can discard anything to activate it. Sure, there are times where you can't do that, but the fact that it more often than not as a negative can setup your graveyard for later (anywhere from a few turns later to right after this chain) is more than enough of a payoff to me. That and the wording allows it to pop just 1 card or 2. As far as the state of the game currently is, I will hold that stance.

citrus
23rd December 2015, 07:25 PM
That and the wording allows it to pop just 1 card or 2. As far as the state of the game currently is, I will hold that stance.

There's absolutely no question that it's amazing right now. Just something like discarding Trick Clown or Damage Juggler with it is insane.